All the Truth about 2012

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All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:30 am

We all heard about 2012.

So many Explanations and Stories.

I've heard stories about aliens, about astrology, about changing the rhythm of time, Heaven on Earth, energies, other dimensions, bad-stuff-happening, galactic-astrological-synchronizations, changes in calenders, parties, and so many contradicting, not-really-scientific, not-always-rational data.

I seek to explain the phenomenon, without stubborn rhetoric, without any vague concepts, and without any energy / aliens / dimensional / other-unproven-data (or at least considered unproven).

Having said that, I'll try to explain the 2012 phenomenon, or the phenomenon of 2012 obsession.

1.
My first argument:
Numbers effect people.

People are charmed, for example, by certain numbers, and are afraid, from other numbers, for a variety of reasons.
I don't claim everyone is charmed and afraid by numbers, but enough people do, so in the global-scale, number do effect people, not necessarily in the same manner.
(The number X can charm one person, deter another, and not effect another two people, in a group of 4, for example).
I find it easy to be charmed by
12.21.2012
or
13.0.0.0.0
And I am charmed by the fact they are both the same day.

But I would like to focus more on dates and numbers that make people fear.
Some dates frighten some of us:
9.11.2001
or
9.1.1939

Some numbers that might frighten a Christian:
666
13
Or Jews:
6,000,000


2.
My second argument:
The 9 - 11 combination is problematic enough in order to become a date of destruction.
(Sounds strange, but read it through).

I don't ask here to explain this, just to show this, but I'll try to give an explanation nonetheless.
One possible explanation, is the common characteristic of 9 and 11.
They are both very close to 10, and this is what is common, and so their combination emphasizes this.
10 is a very special number for the human psyche, and usually symbolizes wholeness and completeness and perfection, not for a mystical, or a numerological, or a really-stupid reason, but because we have 10 fingers, and they are the base of our counting system, and 10 symbolizes the completeness of the counting, the 10 fingers, and the 10 digits.
Those of us who look for grades will see a perfection in 10, since it is the perfect grade.
Those of us who look for completeness in sexuality, and in the merging of the opposites, will also see in 10 completeness,

as 1 is the male organ, 0 is the female organ, and 10 is their combination in one complete whole perfect unity.
Those of us with religious upbringing can see 10 in the 10 commandments and other important symbols.
Symbolic connections between 9 and 11, are exactly what moves away from that wholeness, and emphasizes the distinction from wholeness.
You might think I'm only talking about the WTC 9/11 case, but you'll understand soon.
I don't think there has to be a cosmic force to make more destructions on dates with 9 and 11, but somehow this combination effects enough people for us to have more on such dates.
Maybe the explanation I gave for why this could happen doesn't convince, but this is not the point, the point is that it is like that, statistically, as we'll see in some detailed examples.
For simplicity, I'll use both the European style of writing dates - day.month.year - E - and the North-American style - month.day.year - U.

You might think that finding 9's and 11's in the 20th century is not so hard, but remember, the 20th century was the most bloody of them all, which strengthens my theory.

Do you see any combinations between 9 and 11 in the following dates ?
(remember the mind reads digits one by one...)

WTC destruction:
9.11.2001 U

Crystal night, first major violent breakout before the holocaust, became a memory of a day of destruction:
9.11.1938 E

WW2:
9.1.1939 U

Murder of Kennedy:
22.11.1963 E

Murder of Gandhi:
30.1.1938 E

Murder of Israel's prime minster, Rabin:
4.11.1995 E

Attempted murder of Jordanian King, King Hussein and the start of Black September:
9.1.1970 U

Gulf War:
1.15.1991 U
15.1.1991 E

And there's more, but I think the list is enough.

Anyone who disagrees, and thinks I'm not convincing enough, is welcome to present another pair of numbers, whose combination

appears in so many dates that became memories of destruction, and I think it is fair to request that at least one of the numbers in the pair will be a 2-digit-number.
(Don't tell me 1 and 9, OK ?)

I don't think, and I don't claim, that this is total.
You have many dates with 9 and 11 without any problem, and you also have destructions in other dates, but this is still a

statistical abnormality.

I'll soon show how the 9-11 combination became a destruction-date in more than the Western calender to prove my point.
Before that, I'd like to talk a little about the American emergency phone number
911

We usually think of it as
dial nine-one-one
But originally it was promoted as
dial nine-eleven.
A lot of people complained "they can't find the eleven" so they changed the way they say it.
So originally the 9-11 combination also appeared in emergency cases.
Police, Fire Department, Medical help, all in one number.
And when do you call ?
When you are more away from the feeling or delusion that everything is complete and perfect.
So once again, the 9-11 combination is connected in many persons' minds with "something bad is happening".

Now I'll move to another calender:
The Hebrew Year of Judaism. One of the oldest calenders still in use.
It goes both by the sun and by the moon, making itself more accurate than the Western calender, or the Muslim one, as far as "making the year accurate and on time" goes.

Unlike other calenders and traditions, the Jews somehow combined all their major destruction stories, to one date that symbolizes destruction
The Ninth of AV.
While AV is the 11th month of the Hebrew year.
(The Hebrew calender / calenders have several new-years, but the most common, and the only one used until today, is the one who starts the year with a holiday called "The head of the year", in which the digit of the years increases by one, and is in a month (always a new-moon day) who is always 2 months after AV, and basically 10 months before AV, making AV the 11th month, in a 12 months year, eventually making the 9th of AV, as the 9th of the 11th Month.)

This is a list of destructions that are associated with that date, some of them are made so by formal Jewish religious law,some are historically documented, some are of an unknown enough source, and even if some of it is made up (by others of course, not by me), it still shows that there's a tendency of the mind to connect destructions with 9-11-combination-dates:

The fall of the first temple.
(this in the bible appears in 2 places, one as 7th of AV, the other as 10th of AV, but formal Judaism is considering it as 9th of Av, and this is the official day of fasting and mourning about it, which is also obligatory, for religious Jews).

The fall of the second temple.

Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans

Expulsion of Jews from Spain
1492
(A major event in Jewish history, highly documented).

Roman Jews are put in ghettos in Rome.
1555

Expulsion from England and in another year, from France.

First World War
1914
(Calculated by the date Germany declared war on Russia, and it became a world war, WW1).

The Jews also believe that in the bible, the Hebrews traveled for 40 years in the desert, instead of going straight into their Promised Land, because they were punished by God for some sin, called "the sin of the spies", and that punishment is considered to have taken place on the Ninth of Av, as well as all the others.

So what do we see ?
Nowadays, the 9-11 combination has become a date that symbolizes destruction in more than one calender.

(There's more symmetry between the 9-11's of the Western and Hebrew calenders main destruction date - the fall of The Temple,and the fall of The Towers. Both in a mythological city - Jerusalem is the most mythological city for the Jewish people, and NYC is deeply connected to the American Dream, with its Statue of Liberty, welcoming the immigrants, as well as possessing other American-Dream-Symbols, and both destructions are on a 9-11 date in the year).

I can't be sure you're convinced why this is happening.
But it does.
Even if some of those destructions, or those dates, are pure accidents, it causes more fear of those dates eventually.
And again, I'm not saying all destructions are on those dates. I don't know the dates of the atomic bombing of Japan in the Japanese calender, but I believe there's enough data to see that something is going on.
And this finally concludes the second argument.

3.
My third argument:
Starting from 2012, we have much less dates with 9-11 combinations in the Western calender, (which is the most important and globally used calender).

In the 20th century, we had the most dates with such a combination.
In the beginning of the 21st, we have a little less.
Ever since 2012, the years don't give us any 11 at all, and we got a 9 in the years only once every 10 years, and in the 2090s which result in 19 years with a 9 in the year, in all the century, compared to 100 years with a 9, in the 20th century.

So:
I.
If a combination between a 9 and an 11 causes destruction, then we'll have less destructions.
II.
If such a combination makes people afraid, then we have less reasons to fear.
III.
If you think such dates don't mean anything at all, then it wouldn't get any worse, not because of this anyway.
IV.
If enough extreme people go crazy especially on such dates, then they have less reasons to go crazy.

4.
My fourth argument:
All the spiritual, cultural, pseudo-scientific interest around the change of 2012, is because of the 9-11 symbolism I showed.

Check out the date given to mark the change:
12.21.2012 U
21.12.2012 E

The year:
2012
Right after 2011, and shortly after 2009, just as they disappear from the digits of the years.
The Month:
December
The 12th month, right after the 11th month and shortly after September, just as they disappear from the digits of the months.
The day
21
Not one digit like a 9
Not 1X like an 11
not 20 like 9 + 11
The 21st day of the 12th month of the only year with a 12 in its digits, in the 21st Century.
So much charm, so much completeness, and wholeness, and symmetry, and even perfection. you got the 1 and 0 of the 10, next to each other. you got nothing to remind of the "away from completeness" in this date. Nothing to remind you of the 9-11 combinations.
no 9
12 and 21
right before 2013
and right before Christmas (never 9 or 11 on Christmas in the day.month duo)
or 13.0.0.0.0
you got 12, 13, and 21, all can be seen as "going away from 11".
This is truly a nice charming date which symbolizes a drastic change from a period we had many 9-11 combinations in the Western calender, to a period with much much less.

One of the things 2012 theorists talk about, is the subject of time, and the change of time, and the change of the perception of time.
They all fail to understand that what will really happen, is that as far as dates go, time will effect us differently.
This is the expected change in our "connection with time".
Time will be much less frightening and much less dangerous.

One last thing.
If somehow I gave you a reason to think the coming 2009 and 2011 will be horrible, this is not necessarily what I think. 1909 and 1911 were not so nice as years, but certainly not the worst of the 20th century. And even so, by 2012 it will be behind us.

I'd be more than happy to get interesting remarks, as long as they are to the point, about my theory.

(please don't analyze my signature in your replies)

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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:57 am

Some more calculations for those interested:
I defined a "charming date" as a date made of only 3 digits (or less).
Like:
1.1.2000
1.2.2000
2.2.2000 (two digits)
and many more in 2000
and also
so much many
in
2001-2012
like
X.X.200X
10.10.2010
11.11.2011
12.12.2012

you got here 13 years with a lot of "charming dates", and even 13 years in a row, with a date in each year, with a certain number, that appears both in the day, in the month, in the year, and in a "charming date".

Now what happens in 2010-2012 ?
This is very special.
All "charming dates" in these 3 years, are with the same 3 digits: 0,1,2
Actually, we get 120 "charming dates" in these years, all with the same 3 digits, and with no other "charming date" in the middle which is made of a different combination of 3 digits.
(If you can't see why this doesn't happen in 2000-2002, or in 2020-2022, think of 3.3.2000 or 4.4.2022.)
All this period of 2000-2012, is with the most charm in numbers possible since we started counting.
2100-2102 is the only next time in the coming millennium with 120 "charming dates in a row all from the same 3 digits". (you need 3 years in a row, all with the same 3 digits that you are talking about, and all 3 digits appearing in all 3 years)
And when does the charm "end" this time ?
22.12.2012
This is the last of those 120 "charming dates". Right next to the famous 21.12.2012 to whom the change of time is usually attributed.
(why 120 dates? think of 1.1.2010, 2.1.2010, 10.1.2010, 11.1.2010, 12.1.2010 and 20th,21st and ,22nd of that month. 8 such "charming dates" in January alone. now switch the month to 2,10,11 or 12, and we get 5 such months, which gives us a total of 40 such dates in the year, and another 40 in each of the following years, resulting in a total of 120).
After that, not only will time frighten us less, it will also charm us less, making us over all less affected by time, and more "free" from it.
I also guess, that all this 2012 obsession nowadays, is strongly connected to the fact that "This is the time that dates have charmed us more than ever before". And after 2012, these kind of obsessions will cool down, as Time charms us less and less, or frighten us with a 9-11 combo, less and less.

I always considered 21.12.2012 to be such a beautiful date, but now it seems to me more as a beautiful period of time.
So many dates, in 3 years, all with same digits of the 21.12.2012.

After filling our minds with obsessions about that date, I guess something like this might happen to us in 2010:
"so many dates seem like 21.12.2012, what's going on ?"

And in 2013, the process is over.
2013 might appeal to the eye, consisting of 0,1,2,3 but these are 4 digits, not 3, and therefore no more "charming dates" until 2020, (again, if this is how we define charm), and not a huge amount of them until 2100-2102, and nothing quite like the charm of 2000-2012, the biggest charm ever, past and future.
(you get some good charm in 1000-1012, but no "three years period of the 'same' charm").
(3000-3013 don't give you so much charm, 2 is much more common than 3 in the days and in the months, even though 3 is just a little more in the days than the 0, and we're gonna have some good charm in 2131-2133, 2311-2313, 3121-3123 and 3211-3213
(days and months with 0 and 3: days: 3,10,13,20,23,30,31, months: 3, 10),

The bottom line:
Nothing like this 2000-2012 charm since ever we can really remember, and nothing like we can predict in any sense of future, and with nothing even coming close, until 2100-2102.
For all reasons mentioned, our time is the perfect "time-dates-obsession-period".
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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:26 am

I'll add two things:

First, to explain:
We can explain all the phenomenon using Pareidolia:
pareidolia is "clinically defined" as looking for patterns and seeing patterns where none exist, like faces in the rain, and animals in the clouds, and so forth.
we can also define it in terms of numbers, without the "clinical" consideration, considering the option that some meaning might be there after all:
Number-pareidolia, is about looking for such patterns in numbers.
Dates-Number-pareidolia is about such patterns in numbers of dates.
Numerology is about giving numbers a meaning which is not a mathematical meaning.
(compare "4 means love" to "4 is not prime", both can be seen as result of basic number-pareidolia processes)

Now let's look at the 9/11 and 2012 obsessions with these definitions:
Let's think about this like this:
It is Pareidolia.
All over the world people try to find their number connections using pareidolia, some more, some less, some always, some never.
If humans associate destruction with numbers only using pareidolia, after a few thousand years, you can have two options:
1. If some numbers are indeed more connected to destruction for the mind, globally, they will appear in more cases of pareidolia. If those numbers are not connected to a specific language, they will appear in more cases of pareidolia in different cultures with different language and with different calenders.
2. If all numbers are equally subject to pareidolia as far as destruction goes,
people will find it hard to agree on any set of numbers.

Now, what does the process of pareidolia want to accomplish ?
It wants to give a symbolic meaning to a number.
Let's look at a peridoliac person from the outside.
He tells you "4's makes me love things, 4 is all about love for me, all the girls I loved had so much 4's in their names and lives" and so on.
He says: 4 symbolizes love. (and he can add: to me, to you, to everyone, to our people, to men, for now at least, and so on, while the common to all saying, is giving a symbolic meaning to a number, which is not a mathematical meaning).
All over the world, all cases of pareidolia, are trying to do that.
Now, if a 9/11 combo somehow means destruction for enough people.
(This could be very subtle, even if out of 100 cases, only 5 are 9/11 combos, if it's the most common combo in the list, it's the one with the most accumulating affect, over thousands of years)
what will happen with a "natural" process of pareidolia ?
The symbol will be more accepted as a symbol of destruction.
Right now, the 9/11 concept is a symbol of destruction in the language, and in more than one calender.
From all possible pariedolia going on, that's the one that convinced most people to see some symbolic connection, consciously, between a 9/11 combo in the year, and with destruction.
Nobody forces you to fear the combo, or to look for it, or any other pareidolic activity, but it forces you to see what is the accepted meaning of the combo in language, if you wish to understand language like others.
How does this match the nowadays ?
Why is from all dates of destruction only the 9.11 is remembered with the date, and with the combo ? why is there so much pareidolia about it than ever before ? why can't we explain the 2012 obsessions saying that in this period of time, dates are more charming than ever which causes a specific stream of pareidolia, if we can somehow define charm ?

Secondly,
About theories that claim that the ending of the Mayan calender signifies the End of something in Nature:

As far as I know, the Mayan calender, or, more correctly, the different versions of the different Mayan calenders, don't state in the calender the end of the world, they simply end.
If you use a circular counting system, (unlike the christian counting which could go on forever mathematically, but like the Hebrew one), your calender ends sometime.
It's usually a long cycle, always long enough in history for "never ending while the culture using it is still a living culture"
Even if it's not a circular calender, it can use cycles, like any other calender.
In the normal count, the dates' digits are circular, and so are the months', only the years go in a linear way.
If I create a practical Christan calender for the next 1000 years, it will end sometime (in a 1000 years), because I only used a cycle of a 1000 years, which I could use again and again as the same calender, for the next 1000 years, I just didn't see a reason to put more than 3 digits in the year.
When we reach 10000, if we still use this counting, we could go in 2 directions:
Either starting to use 5-digits years, which will change the calender in the practical sense (think of computers all regarding years with 4 digits)
or we will simply ignore the initial 1, and keep writing (and talking) about a 4 digit concept, with all of us in perfect understanding, without a sense of change of calender (as might happen it we start thinking about years as a 5-digit-thing). If we go that road, we actually just start the counting all over again from 0 to 9999, actually making the christian counting a circular one which completed a cycle, and we start using it from the beginning again (without forgetting of course that it's the 2nd cycle)
Maybe the Mayan calender(s) is also something like that.
We can Imagine it if we think of it as an "extended-year-calender".
Most use, for practical reasons, a calender for the year alone.
It's a calender that ends, and you use it again (quite the same version), again and again, whenever it ends.
Maybe this is how the Mayan calender goes, it just doesn't end on the year, but on the far far future, in a way that doesn't really frighten anyone, any more than the fears you might feel when the year's calender is over.
Actually, all the possible psychological fears of "the year is changing, the end of the calender seems like some kind of an end to me", will not happen in a Mayan calender, where the symbolic emphasis of the End, is in the far far future, not in every year.
Maybe this is the price to be paid
The Mayans perhaps fear less when the year is over, because they have a very different understanding of "when time/calender ends", so they don't have to celebrate the changing of each year with Light and Trees and Family-Love and other versions of Christmas, which potentially decrease the global "fear", but on the other hand, when their calender finally ends, all accumulated fears of the End, are all focused at a one ending point.
And maybe some kind of Ritual, is finally needed.

(If Christmas is when Christian celebrate the birth of Christ on their version of the main ritual which is connected to the the year changing / ending in the calender, then what is the analogy now that the Mayan's ending ? do we need a bigger celebration in this bigger End ? Could this explain some more-Christ-Is-Coming beliefs-?
This doesn't have to be because the Mayan calender ends.
As I showed, the Christian counting is the one changing in 2012 in its affect. This is a kind of End in the Christian calender itself. So should we be more anxious for redemption, more believing that now is the time of his coming to the world, or should we all just try to have the most appropriate Christmas-Celebration-Analogy ?
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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby Pareidoliac » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:23 am

What has 2012 to do with numerology? I don't understand. Mayans calendar ends. Did they have Pareidolia, too?
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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:03 am

See how much analogy between 3 different calenders and End of the
World theories.

The Christian YEAR ends, and its most symbolic celebration is Christmas.
The Birthday of Christ.
Christian versions of End of the World theories, talk about a future
in which Time will End, or it's called The End of Time or The End of
The World, or judgment day, and so forth, and it will also be the time
Christ will come to the world, with the perfect analogy of birthday
and coming to the world with the End of the Year and the End of Time.
In the Hebrew Calender,
Ninth of Av, The Hebrew 9/11, is the formal destruction day of the
year BUT in the End of Times, It will become a day of Joy, since it's
also the day the Messiah will be born
(accepted Jewish faith, not all believe he will be born on that day
even if he comes, but all know it's the only date in the year
considered as a potential birthday of his, if at all).
This is about 50 days before the Hebrew New Year.
And in Jewish versions of End of the World theories, The messiah will
come at one point in near the End, and than there will be some stuff
going on like building of Temples and maybe wars, and a religious
return, and more, and then we'll have Heaven on Earth or whatever, and
even a final judgment day when it is decided once and for all, who
goes where.
There is some distance between the coming of the Messiah and the Final
End, as in the year they are about 50 days apart.
(This is in complete accord with this version of the End: at the
Hebrew year 6000 he will come, and in 7000 it will End.
6/7ths of the time is before the coming, and 1/7th in between the
coming and the End, in this, quite common, version.
The average Hebrew Year, has about 354 days (only adding another month
every few years).
So 1/7th of 354 is about 50 or 51.
If we take the Year, and "cut" it with this 6/7 - 1/7 scale, we get
50-51 days before the End. you guessed it. Ninth of AV (Like 11.9th
being 51 days before 1.1, if both 11 & 12 months are 30 days, or 30 & 29)
Even if it's 2 days before or after Ninth of Av, it's a superb analogy.
After 6/7ths of the Year, and of the 7000-years-calender, It's the
Messiah's Birthday or Coming, and after another 1/7th of the Year, or
of the 7000-years-calender, you reach the End.
And what is the the Jewish Judgment Day in the Year ? Again you guess
it right, New Year. 1.1.
(Yom Kippur is for appeals...
So when the cycle of the Year or of The Calender is over, you reach
The End, and Judgment Day, after the messiah was born or came, when it
was 6/7ths of the way.
The fact that in Christianity, the End of Time effect is much shorter
in expected duration, is not only reflected in the Year, but also
because in Christianity the Messiah is God, and in Judaism he's not
considered as God.
How does this fit together so far about 9/11's and 2012 ?
As I showed, after 2012, we'll have much less dates of 9/11 combos,
so, hopefully, much less destruction, and as a direct result, more
days of Joy, as "prophesied" by the Jewish religion, in saying, (about
the Hebrew calender...), that one day the 9/11-destructions will be
gone or over or happy, or generally: LESS 9/11 destruction.
How does this fit with the Mayan Calender and its
related-End-of-Times-Theories ?
Basically it all seems like that the End of the Calender FEARS are
actually pretty much an extension of End of the Year Fears.
Many people have some fears before the year ends.
Time is going by, and you are forced to recognize it once again in a
way that shows you you're not here forever.
You can party with the family and friends and love but some people
will still deal with fears coming out.
Now project that, to a bigger Ending of All Time.
It goes by the same symbols, as far as End and Redemption and even
Judgments go.
And the Mayan Calendar, doesn't just end every year, it ends in the
far far End.
All collective obsession about 2012, is the same kind of obsession
about the end of the year and the end of times in Christianity and in
Judaism.
And the mayan Calender is just like one big year anyway, it has an End
and it starts over.
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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby Lauren..x » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:02 pm

I've just read your whole post..and wow :)
it really is amazing and inspiring to read.
i found it so interesting to read...especially what you were saying about the nummbers and how they are significant to all different things.
i especially thought what you were saying about 9/11 and how the numbers signify things was particularly clever :D
Keep up what you're doing..you seem to have a mind for things like this..and i really took on board what you said.
I'm only 16, but i find this sort of things really interesting...how philosopers or just people in general put points across for us all to consider..and you have deffinatly done this after me reading this :)

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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:16 am

Lauren..x wrote:I've just read your whole post..and wow :)
...
I'm only 16, but i find this sort of things really interesting...how philosopers or just people in general put points across for us all to consider..and you have deffinatly done this after me reading this :)


Lauren, thanks for you kind words. Seeings that this actually touches people, really gives me a motivation to keep it going.
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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:27 am

Some more information about 9-11 combos, in human destruction concepts.

The 911 Emergency Phone Number.

I already said that 911 is the emergency phone number in America and
all that i said about that, but it's more complicated if you check.
If you look at a list of emergency phone numbers all over the world,
you can see the following patterns:
1.
Countries with several such numbers,
Usually Police, Medical, and Fire emergencies.
While the different numbers contain some pattern, that makes it easier
to remember all numbers in all emergencies.
Like:
100,101,102
15,16,17,18
999, and many around 999.
and more like those of with other internal patterns.
2.
Countries with only one emergency phone number.
Sometimes like
000,999,777
(A clear pattern, easily remembered)
But most countries with a single number for emergencies, use
usually 911, and 11X, like 112, and other 11's, and 119 even, with a
lot of 911's, as the most obvious without a simple pattern of DDD,
like 999 or 111.
Now, even if they copied it from each other, what kind of pattern
makes it so easy to remember 911 in case of emergency ?
(Bad patterns don't survive. Many countries used a different variation
of the free-number-prefix, before changing it to be more easily
remembered and easily used, for example, and other "bad" numbers are
also updated)
What kind of pattern makes it easy to remember ?
what do you think ? How did the 911 "got itself" into so many
emergency numbers, and "survived" ?
which pattern does this fit the most ?
a. patterns of emergency phone numbers all over the world ?
b. an easy to remember pattern like 000 or 111 or 777 or 999 ?
c. a pattern of "something bad is happening" ?

And about the rest of the emergency numbers, the most common digits
are 1 and 9, and the most common repetitions are 11 and 99 (many
999's), and the other repetitions are much less common, 22,55,66,77,
and even 00, which appears in the basic 000 and 100.

You can see for yourself how much misleading I am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number

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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:13 am

Someone, let's call her Trinity, said:

Yesterday was a 10 10

Binary Code for the Matrix

red pill or blue pill

today is a 10 11 more code for the matrix

all those strange 911 synchronicities in the movies and everywhere, how do you think those happened? To return to the Source, Neo must first go to the Keymaker,
another program/person with "keys" to everything. The door to the mainframe, under intense security, can only be accessed for "just over five minutes" (until an alternate security system kicks in), or as the Keymaker puts it "exactly 314 seconds." This of course is a reference to pi, the only "anomaly" in an otherwise "perfect" system of numbers.

1) mathematics is the language of nature.
2) everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
3) if you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. therefore, there are patterns...everywhere in nature..." - from the film _Pi_


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Thank you Trinity.

PI is a special number, no matter how you count, binary, decimal, or otherwise, and all over the world/galaxy/nature/universe you can see natural patterns concerning PI.

But let's return to the source.

The source of the way we conceive of numbers is with a system of counting based on 10 fingers.
10 is the "key", and even the "keys maker", of all our systems of counting. (we understand binary using our understanding of 10, and then we can even program computers on a pure binary "key").
PI is natural, but the natural source of the artificial Matrix of number obsessions, contains the perfect concept of 10.
How natural it is for the mind to see a man with 9 fingers ?
Ouch.
Few babies here and there all over history came to the world with "not-exactly-10-fingers-and-10-toes".
And even if they were and are, of course, a product of Nature, this was still referred to as an anomaly, and we still think of it as unnatural. 11 fingers are a natural anomaly, but if we see 9 fingers, we usually suppose it wasn't natural (from birth, or by an animal bite), but artificial (accident or incident, by humans and/or human-processed-matter).

(I hope I didn't upset anyone with my stating of "humans see handicaps as unnatural". This is not about my own bias and prejudice, and in no way do I mean they are "less human" or "not natural beings")

And all those feelings and assumptions, were much more common and socially-understood in ancient times, when the "Matrix of number obsessions" was in its beginning.
In the beginning of addressing numbers with a steady system of ten digits, or ten basic numbers.

In the movie, we reach 314, a digital representation of PI, according to Trinity. Thus, we somehow reach a natural element. It's still in the matrix, and it's still a digital-artificial representation, but it's a natural element. It's not dependent on the Matrix, and not a product of it, and it is even above the original-source-of-10.
PI is always an important number in nature, no matter how you count. The ratio between a radius and a circumference is always the same.
We even use it for degrees in angles, as the best base for advanced calculations.
We even write PI, and not some digits, when we address it in the matrix-of-number-obsessions.

In the movie PI, we see the obsession of numbers (*SPOILER*) develops and is finally over. He searches how patterns of numbers manifest in Nature and in the Stock-Market, and the viewers see how the numbers-obsession is affecting him.
He went directly for PI, a much more "natural" number than 10, or 9, or 11, or 23, or 13, or 666, or 2012, or 21.12.2012.
He thought it was about a possible consciousness in an artificial-digital-numeric structure.

And how it ends ?
(SPOILER )
He sits, exhausted, looking at a tree, directly at nature, without looking for numbers anymore.
His uncompromising search, eventually showed him nature, which is beyond what a number-obsession can create, and is even beyond the natural-source-of-the-artificial-matrix-of-number-obsessions, beyond the 10 digits.

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Re: All the Truth about 2012

Postby BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:21 pm

A short summary:

1. Numbers affect people.
2. 9/11 combos appear in so many dates of destruction and in more than one calender, and in many emergency phone numbers.
3. After 2012 you get much less such combos in the dates
4. All the 2012 obsession can be attributed to it.
5. No natural disasters are involved, numbers affect people, not nature.
6. in 2000-2012, dates are especially "charming", causing so much fuss about date and numbers. Since 2013, dates will be less charming (less repetitions) and less dangerous (less 9/11 combos), resulting in a less-effect-of-time-on-us.
7. Fears about the end of the world, are actually fears about the end of the year. Christ's birthday is in the end of the year, and he will come at the end of the world. Jewish formal Judgment-day, is the Hebrew-New-Year (after the year-calender is over), and also when the Mayan calender is over, like when a year-calender is over, some people are anxious about it.
8. All dates-number obsessions, however artificial, have a natural source - counting with 10 fingers.


2012:
I don't believe there's anymore much to it than numbers affecting people, NOT NATURE.
Calenders are not designed in any way that can predict natural disasters. They are constructed in a way that corresponds to the natural cycle of nature and mankind to some extant with seasons and weekends and other mainly sun & moon related cycles.
They are not constructed in a way that can predict, or cause, a natural disaster, but in a way that can make some people feel some things, sometimes.
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